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Inkarr Hashur
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:18:00 -
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If projection was supposed to be a weakness of the Angel lineup why did you give them a falloff bonus? That's like saying projection's supposed to be a weakness of the zealot. |
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:36:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:If projection was supposed to be a weakness of the Angel lineup why did you give them a falloff bonus? That's like saying projection's supposed to be a weakness of the zealot. And a huge drone bay. 
Yeah. So Yitter Bitter, I'd say figure out what the actual weakness is or should be. Because projection isn't it, as the Machariel projects about 70% to 80% as well as the Nightmare does. |
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:33:00 -
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Charadrass wrote:Quote:Machariel : -1 highslot, lower the speed and the agility. Problem solved. Do that and no one will ever fly it again :)
Do that and Charadrass will make an incorrect statement. |
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Posted - 2013.02.20 02:16:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:
Angel Cartel: while the Dramiel has been brought back into line, the Cynabal and Machariel need a nerf. Not necessarily a big one mind you, but at the moment they are just too much versatile with their flexible slot layouts, extended drone bays coupled with amazing speed and good damage. Their theoretical weaknesses (lack of EHP, poor damage projection) don't matter as much in the field as they should.
OMG did you just say the Cynabal has poor damage projection? Did you? i think you did. Because if you did you've never seen a 5.5km/s artybal in action (links, implants). The whole problem with the mach and Cynabal is the stupid tracking - even deep, deep into falloff you track so well (given you put all your lows to TE's and nanos) it is irrelevant, and since you can kite basically forever, luls. And low EHP? On a Macha? Pffft. On a Cynabal which will be 20km away from a scramming frig before it can even lock it? Really. They need a hard nerf, quickly. Which basically should be a nerf to boosters and links, because you obviously still live in 2009 before everyone had snakes and a pimped Loki. Just in case you missed it; -45% sig (making you harder to instalock and scram) + agility, which you already have in spades + speed (which Angel ships already have in spades) Move up to 2013, dude, and balance on 2013, not 2009.
You bring up a good point, devs have already recognized the absurd power of boosting in general, and yet still refuse to do anything about it until some unspecified date in the future. Which honestly makes little sense. If you recognize an aspect of the game that sticks out as being detractory to the game balance, shouldn't you wield the hammer right away? |
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Posted - 2013.02.27 01:57:00 -
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goldiiee wrote:Steel Roamer wrote:goldiiee wrote:Storm Novah wrote:And the Mach nerf QQ begins... seriously tho they both need nerfs. The fact that its flown to the exclusion of 90% of other pirate battleships means that its way OP. That logic doesn't hold up, 99% of ships in EVE that use a damage control use the T2 varient witch is only 1% better than the meta 4. Does that mean Damage controll is OP, or just the best choice of all the options. Nice statistics you pulled out of your ass. I fit all my frigs with a 30 CPU DC2 because all my ships have inifnite CPU. Yours do not? Sorry didn't mean to offend, or start a conversation about low CPU and frig fitting. My point was that the prolific use of Machariels in the game could be attributed to as little as 1% more _____ (fill in the blank). So the Concept of nerfing it into the ground will not solve the imbalance it will just shift the imbalance to the next 1% winner.
Because ship balance is totally all about a single attribute that's displayed in the attributes tab of an info screen. Just like a damage control module. You wish ships were balanced to within 1% effectiveness of each other. You wish. Actually I wish, too. |
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Posted - 2013.02.27 02:21:00 -
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goldiiee wrote:Strawmanning
Moving goalposts
Please don't nerf my Machariel
Meh. Whatever you say. The dev already stated the Machariel was intended to have weaknesses. We all kind of laughed when that weakness ended up being negated by the hull bonus and by... you know, the internal mechanics of the projectile subsystem itself. That was pages ago. |
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Posted - 2013.02.27 02:34:00 -
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goldiiee wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:goldiiee wrote:Strawmanning
Moving goalposts
Please don't nerf my Machariel
Meh. Whatever you say. The dev already stated the Machariel was intended to have weaknesses. We all kind of laughed when that weakness ended up being negated by the hull bonus and by... you know, the internal mechanics of the projectile weapon system itself. That was pages ago. I get your angry, it comes through in your writing, I like my mach, I also like my vindicator, never cared much for the Blaaaahorn, and the Nightmare has more potential than any other ship I fly. My concern is that when they swing the Nerf hammer I donGÇÖt want the choices to be reduced to what race of ship looks best vs. what ship is best. Leaving a large enough margin to be a clear winner, is not a bad thing, especially with the current neutering of minmitar ships consider worst Dread, worst Titan, worst Supercarrier, worst Battleship, worst Frig? Is there any Minmitar ship going to be left that will make picking this race as a training goal a good choice?
If the goal is to give ships differing weaknesses and strengths then your irrational fear of all ships being recolored copies of each other would stay an irrational fear.
We just discussed how the Mach weakness isn't really a weakness. |
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Posted - 2013.03.19 18:19:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I don't care how many billions in officer fit you throw at a Nightmare, it's still not going to be remotely as useful as the Mach.
-Liang
Wow, that's harsh. But fair. The mach just has an absurdly perfect set of bonuses. I direct you to my earlier post here
Really puts perspective on that stupidly-powerful hull. |
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:15:00 -
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Well yeah, its easy to complain about T3 BCs after a CCP dev has already admitted them being overpowered. |
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Posted - 2013.03.20 16:21:00 -
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RavenPaine wrote:Has anybody seen the Phantasm thread?
I cannot seem to find it.
You are in the wrong place sir, this is the Machariel thread. |
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